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EMIS users urged to protest about systems choice

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02 Sep 2004

The head of the EMIS National User Group (NUG) has written to all EMIS users calling on them to lobby their MPs, local Primary Care Trusts or Local Medical Committees to express their concerns about National Programme for IT (NPfIT) strategy on choice of GP systems.

The letter from Dr Manpreet Pujara, chair of EMIS NUG, stresses that the latest official guidance to existing suppliers makes clear that practices using EMIS will not be eligible for central funding "whereas central funding for some others will continue".  It warns of the potential risks – such as data loss and reduced data quality - of having to replace existing systems before a better replacement is available.     

The proposed strategy will, he claims,  "greatly reduce the choice of systems available to GPs and to replace current systems over the next two to four years".

Dr Pujara's letter urges GPs affected – including all EMIS practices - to take action. He writes: "Those of us who find this situation unsatisfactory must act now.  There will not be another opportunity in two years' time."

EMIS systems are used by over half of general practices in England but the company has not signed contracts with local service providers (LSPs).

The chair of the EMIS NUG reiterates that the GP contract includes a clear commitment to providing a choice of practice systems.  "GPs feel betrayed that the government has reneged on its commitment to offer GPs a choice of clinical systems as agreed in the new contract."

"The LSPs don't appear to be paying the slightest bit of attention to the GP contract commitment to choice [paragraph 4.34]," Dr Mary Hawking, EMIS NUG committee member told E-Health Insider.

In August NPfIT set out its policy for existing suppliers, which makes clear that those not within an LSP portfolio will not be eligible for central funding under NPfIT.  In addition, legacy suppliers will not be allowed to connect to the NHS Care Records Service spine unless they are an integrated part of an LSP solution.

The effect, says the letter, will be force the 56% of practices in England currently using EMIS systems to move to another, unproven, clinical system they have not chosen.

"The guidance seems to be about wiping out existing suppliers and replacing them with an unknown single system, when you ask to see a demo they can't even produce an outline one," Dr Hawking said.

Offering the advice of the NUG the letter says: "The NUG agrees with the aim of NPfIT in principle BUT strongly disagrees with the emphasis placed on single systems."

It goes on to state that GP computing in the UK has become a world leader due to the iterative way in which it has developed over the past 15-20 years, and that sweeping this away for an as yet unseen and unproven system is a high risk strategy.  "It is not possible to write a new functionally rich system from the ground up in a few years."

The letter notes that while from "a financial viewpoint the new [centrally funded] NPfIT systems and offerings may seem to be very palatable" actually changing over systems should not be undertaken lightly. 

"Changing your practice's clinical system is no mean feat as most of you will know and there are major implications for the practice and staff as poorly managed upgrades and data conversions result in disaster."

Dr Pujara says that he would be more than happy to change his clinical system "if the alternative system offers better functionality and usability than my current system", but argues this is not what NPfIT and its contractors are offering.

"We are being told that we will be migrated to a system that hasn't even been Alpha-tested and about which nobody is prepared to say what is in it or what functions it will have," Dr Hawking told EHI.

Commenting on the development of new LSP systems Dr Pujara says: "As end users of the new system we will not have any input into the development process as the LSP will only respond to the cluster board where there may be little GP involvement."  

The current strategy set out by NPfIT contains significant risks for GPs, their patients and the hard-won achievements of primary care computing, warns Dr Pujara.  "Do we really want a new clinical system developed in record breaking time with little clinical involvement and no proven track record?"  The alternative he suggests is to make existing systems NPfIT compliant at a fraction of the cost of replacing them.

Dr Pujara says NPfIT appeared to give place a low priority on primary care, which it described as a 'department' of the single systems to be delivered by LSPs. Dr Hawking commented, "It's incredibly acute-centric view of the world, which pays no attention to the systems that GPs already use."

Dr Pujara concludes by urging EMIS users to make their collective voice heard, by contacting their MP, their Local Medical Committee or Primary Care Trust.  He notes that when a significant number of EMIS users faxed and emailed their MPs earlier in the year it resulted in Parliamentary Questions and "some activity the NPfIT team to try and resolve the issue".

Dr Paul Cundy, chair of the joint BMA/Royal College of GPs IT Committee, however, advises EMIS users against lobbying their MP.   Citing the announcement of the National Audit Office investigation into NPfIT, he said "Whilst I respect your right as EMIS users to do as you see fit I do not, in the circumstances, think it will be of any benefit to launch a second MP lobbying campaign."

© 2004 E-HEALTH-MEDIA LTD. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.

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1

Choice

02 Sep 04 13:43

I don't think choice was ever part of the agenda. Hospital Doctors are certainly not getting a choice.


2

Choice

JOHNM.BISHOP@LEICS-HIS.NHS.UK

02 Sep 04 15:21

Hospital doctors didn't sign a new GMS contract that said they would have a choice of clinical system.


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Choice

JACK.BARKER@KINGSCH.NHS.UK

02 Sep 04 21:06

Yes but some of us hospital doctors have made big investments in implementing IT systems that will be discarded if we follow NPfIT guidance. The strategy seems to be rigidly centrist and monolithic with little scope for end user choice. I am not sure the users understand the implications of this structure .


4

What about the patients?

mary.hawking@nhs.net

02 Sep 04 22:41

My practice is paperless. This means that the *only* record of any consultation is electronic - and held in my EMIS system.

I have tried to talk to my LSP - but I have a horrible feeling that they just can't hear what is being said...

Going back to the Conference of LMCs - and their vote to recommend no co-operation until legitimate concerns were addressed - my impression (wasn't there) is that Aidan Halligan didn't understand the concerns.. An *incremental* NCR , lacking past data, doesn't match the "cradle to grave" record deemed to be essential in the UK (but nowhere else).

It is generally accepted that if you transfer data from one GP system to another, there will be loss of data. Some of this is predictable - some is not.

The BMA (at the ARM - Annual Representatives Meeting) voted for a motion demanding systems to ensure 100% accurate transfer of data, sound systems for ensuring patient consent to sharing of their personal identifiable data, and establishment of legal liability for data transfer, errors due to absent or corrupted information, and loss of the audit trail which establishes the legality of the record.

I've had a communication from an individual in England but a considerable distance from my practice, asking for information on practices willing to committ to *not* uploading the medical rcord or allowing any "sharing". I haven't replied as yet - anyone got any advice? I'm a patient too. I find it very disturbing that my record might be corrupted - and remember the stated objective is to allow sharing with other agencies. It could affect my life insurance and future job prospects! ;->>

Why is there so much secrecy? *If* the system is so brilliant, why can't we see it? You don't herd cats (or GPs..) - you lead/incentivise them!


5

Why was EMIS left out?

TONY.WARE@NHS.NET

03 Sep 04 09:03

I understand that EMIS is used by well over half the GP practices. A near monopoly. An incumbent with such a large market share should have a major advantage over possible competitors. So why wasn't EMIS selected by NPfIT? I am genuinely interested in the reasons.


6

WHY WAS EMIS LEFT OUT

ENQ@WEEKENDIT.CO.UK

04 Sep 04 08:03

Perhaps it's time someone put into the public domain again why EMIS has decided not to be part of the NPfIT or why the latter had chosen to ignore a major supplier of the GP market.


7

Why was EMIS left out?

rsarson@blueyonder.co.uk

06 Sep 04 11:53

Indeed, we need to know. My own guess is: either EMIS Directors were so stroppy in the early days of negotiation that R Granger decided to give them a lesson. or The NPfIT looked at the EMIS software, and found it so geared to satisfying GPs' needs, but so lacking in "Good IT practice" that they rejected it as an incomprehensible load of spaghetti, which could not be untangled to incorporate the NCR. I repeat, I am only guessing, and would like to know the real story.


8

A bit rich...

06 Sep 04 15:57

It really is a bit rich! Here is a company, owned by doctors, run by doctors, that sells kit to doctors, using taxpayers? money. Shed-loads of taxpayers money. As far as I know, none of the kit and none of the sales have been the subject of a proper, modern, public procurement process, policy, or procedure.

Roy Lilley


9

far fetched

06 Sep 04 16:07

I think Roys comments are probably a little bit exagerated. I thought these comments are moderated. you dont secure 54 percent of the market just becuase you are a doctor selling to dcotors. They must be doing something right, whether the national programme or the LSP's agrees or not. Have a look at EMIS's web site they have a very good FAQ which details some of the reasons behind the current position.


10

GP IT funding - and Roy Lilley's comments

mary.hawking@nhs.net

06 Sep 04 21:02

Just to set the record straight. GPs are independant contractors. Under the previous contract , GPs purchased their IT themselves - and were re-imbursed (if lucky) 50% of the cost. The new GMS contract, staring from 1.4.03 included the 100% financing of GP IT by the PCTs, but with a guaranteed choice of systems by the GPs (provided they were RFA 99+) - and this was confirmed again in guidance from the BMA supported by NPfIT and the DOH. I really am surprised that Roy Lilley doesn't seem to be aware of the way general practice IT has been financed, and the way that that means of financing it has produced competition and development. The idea that a "modern, public procurement policy" would produce better results (such as GPASS?) strikes me as.. well.. a bit rich!


11

Insane to use NPfIT

gjamie@doctors.org.uk

07 Sep 04 09:01

Roy's comment display a remarkable lack of understanding of the process. At least 50% of the cash for these systems came from the GPs themselves. It was a business investment. EMIS did well because it was designed around GPs needs (although met national standards).

It would be financial lunacy to base your business around a system designed for someone elses needs, even it is seems "free".


12

A bit of their own back...

07 Sep 04 09:54

I remember the time when EMIS were putting pressure on DHAs and PCTs to swap out smaller application suppliers systems for their own. They have got a lot of money out of the rush to EMIS saga, if they had played ball with NPfIT they could have had the NHS in it's entirety.

The risk factor they always bring up is a red herring, they have made a mint and should have used some of this to build up capital within the Company to mitigate NPfIT. They are reaping what they have sown!


13

problems with a centrist approach

07 Sep 04 12:04

But this is one of our problems with a centrist approach to hospital IT systems. How can we be sure that the system will meet our changing "business" needs when we have to get agreement for every change with 42 other hospitals?


14

Montagues and Capulets

HBRYSH@BSDCONSULTANCY.COM

07 Sep 04 13:54

Is it me having grown to be too cynical, or are there others around who believe that there is too much self-interest floating around this story?

It is undeniable that GPs cannot and should not be railroaded into systems. The new contract offers them choice and this commitment should be honoured. I cannot help feeling, however, that if the EMIS NUG has any influence, it is with its own supplier. There is far more chance of NUG being able to lobby EMIS to get its act together than it has of changing the course of the National Programme. As well as making it clear to EMIS that it should sit down and talk sensibly to the LSPs (which it may well be doing - but there are no reports of this happening) the NUG will probably find that it is able to have a very constructie dialogue with each of the LSPs about how current EMIS systems can be accommodated within their respective programmes for at least the foreseeable future.

On the other hand, the current approach of the National Programme has been about reducing cost. For the Programme to assume that to ask LSPs (or their software partners more accurately) to redevelop - from the ground up - systems to replace an installed base of 56% of the country is a cheaper way of doing things than adapting such an existing product, does seem rather risible. I'd like to see the maths.

It makes you wonder which side of the discussion, if any, has any moral supremacy.


15

EMIS and NPfIT

08 Sep 04 13:08

EMIS has chosen not to be part of the National Programme not vice versa. One observation that i would make is that interestingly when you expose non-EMIS GP's to an EMIS system they find it old fashioned in terms of its consultation model. No doubt those users of EMIS will disagree with this !! I suspect that ulimately it becomes a debate not unlike the Linux/Windows debate where few if any people get converted from one view to another.


16

This isn't about EMIS - it's about patient care

mary.hawking@nhs.net

10 Sep 04 22:42

I wonder whether we could get back to the issues involved here? This isn't about the relationships between EMIS and NPfIT - or whether the system which *I* find fulfils my needs admirably (and, being text based, *doesn't* force me to devote all my eye-contact to a cursor rather than my patient) should be preserved - and the same applies to other systems. The issues involved are:- Patient care - which won't be helped if their records ( now largely or totally electronic) are corrupted. Value for money: I was trying to work out the costs of a "rip-and-replace " solution: I reckon most of the hardware in my surgery would need replacement - dactors and staff would need retraining -patient services would be distruprd; what is the point? . Future development of systems. Monopolies *don't* produce innovation and development - and we do have an example in GPASS in what can happen in a single system environment...

When NPfIT started, I was enthusiastic. Just what was needed - an overarching infrastructure, enabling communication between different systems ( a long-standing demand in general practice) and encouraging/forcing best practice..;->><< How did this promising new programme develop into the situation we now have? Mary Hawking

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