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EMIS sets out its version of 'fact and fiction'

Tags: Accenture   Choice   Choose and Book   CRS   EMIS   Fujitsu   Government   GP   Granger   Interoperability   iS   London   LSP   NPfIT   Sean Riddell   South   Spine  

22 Dec 2004

Primary Care systems supplier EMIS has issued its customers with a briefing about its relationship with the NHS National Programme for IT, claiming it has been frozen out of the National Programme with GPs penalised if they wish to retain or move to EMIS systems.

While the document, entitled 'Fact not Fiction', says that EMIS remains fully supportive of NPfIT, it also epeats EMIS's contention that it was "excluded" from offering its software in the London and Southern clusters, despite Fujitsu having been keen to do a deal. It adds that the contracts presented to EMIS by Accenture in the two northern clusters were "untenable and uninsurable by anyone in the open market".

Speaking to E-Health Insider, Sean Riddell, deputy managing director of EMIS, said the issue of contracts was a "red herring" when compared to the clear thrust of the programme towards standardised systems rather than ensuring existing system are interoperable with new systems on the way.

"It's not about whether EMIS signs or not.  For 50% of the country it's not down to us, we won't be offered due to a decision made by an LSP or the NHS." 

"Who is it within the NHS that can make these blanket decisions?  In London the LSP just said that we don't have to offer any further choice.  While in the South we had an acceptable negotiated position with the LSP but it was ruled out by the NHS Southern cluster team."

The EMIS deputy MD said that a national programme based on rip-and-replace was of existing systems was "nonsensical, high-risk and does not represent value for money."

The 'Fact not Fiction' briefing note also questions whether the national programme represents value for money, saying that according to NHS IT director general Richard Granger the programme will cost a minimum of £11 a year per patient.  EMIS claims that, once implementation and support costs are added in, this figure could rise to as high as £51 per person.

"This is an incredulous amount of money," Sean Riddell told E-Health Insider.  "Why was it necessary to go for centralised procurements that cost billions and have a huge level of risk associated with them?"

EMIS contrasts these figures with the 76p per patient per year it says it currently costs, including support and implementation, to provide an EMIS primary care system.

A major part of the problem, Riddell contended, is that the large consultancy firms that advise the Government and civil servants on IT policy push for large centralised systems they are familiar with, and subsequently wind up with the contracts to implement the very same systems.  "Who advises Government on what direction they should be going? It's the large consulting firms, and they are the ones who benefit," said Riddell. 

He argued that instead of monolithic centralised systems based on vast data repositories, of the kind the national programme has procured, the preference should be for "high resilience and interoperability based on distributed processing."

The 'Fact not Fiction' document goes on to state that it is untrue all GPs will get a fully funded system of their choice under NPfIT, in line with the commitment made in the new general medical services (nGMS) contract.  "GPs have a choice in some areas of one system and in other areas of one and one yet to be written," said Riddell. "The guidance just isn't being followed…"

The EMIS guidance also stresses that NPfIT will not support connections to the Spine for compliant GP systems other than those offered by LSPs.  Interfaces, it claims, will only be provided as an interim measure for Choose and Book and Electronic Transfer of Prescriptions but not for the core NHS Care Records Service (CRS) application.

Riddell added: "Existing suppliers in primary and secondary care will not be able to connect to the Spine for the NHS CRS and if you cannot connect to the spine for NHS CRS it kills all choice."

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NPfIT behaviour seems to be an abuse of privilege

22 Dec 04 21:34

Why is the biggest GP supplier being frozen out of the market? EMIS software helps half the nation's GPs manage their patient care. I think some heads need knocking together and told to find a solution - one that we can all afford.

The current exclusion of a major stakeholder can only eventually harm patient care and put considerable strains on the managemetn of half the nation's GP practices - or are these things just collateral damage?!

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Worrying

TONY.WARE@NHS.NET

23 Dec 04 10:02

It seems to me that there are three possibilities; either EMIS grew complacent due to their market dominance and thought they would be handed the business on a plate, or their proposition was unsuitable and/or uncompetitive, or they were 'frozen out' by NPfIT. If it is the latter then it is indeed very worrying, and EMIS would be doing everyone a service by providing clear evidence that this is what happened.


3

Comparing apples and oranges; it's all nuts

23 Dec 04 11:25

On first take 76 pence against £11 or £51 is a huge discrepancy, but the EMIS figure only relates to an effective primary care system, not all healthcare delivery support.

But should it really be at least ten times that cost to support the hospital (and community) sector? Citizens probably receive the benefits of this very infrequently relative to primary care.

It is time that someone costed informatics support to holistic care delivery realistically across the board, before social care convergence takes effect. Let's push for realistic complete costings for 2005!

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4

what are emis up to?

31 Dec 04 13:56

We need to sort out legitimate criticism of NPfIT from EMIS's self-interest/paranoia. I'm sure there's plenty wrong with NPfIT's selection of partners. But...

It seems to me EMIS have indeed become complacent - mystifying given their GV debacle, but their 'new' PCS enterprise system has been fraught with problems. Roll-out in this area has stopped - simply there are no takers, such is the bad vibes about system speed and reliability. The vaunted loyalty users feel towards EMIS seems exclusively built on good old reliable LV - you'd get a different take from GV and PCS users. If these represent the future for EMIS, they should be worried.

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